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500 Card Cube, full P9. Goal: The best 500 cards in history.

Postby Evenpence » Mon May 17, 2010 5:36 am

Philosophy: To create an exceptionally powerful cube, but still maintain a balance for fun games more often than not. Some cards, like Moat, are added with the idea that decks will be able to win in other ways if they don't have access to enchantment removal (white and green have lots of enchantment removal, however).

This is my first cube, and I'll be tweaking it in the weeks to come. It's designed for 8+ players. Suggestions welcome, I take constructive criticism well.

The list is probably skewed slightly in favor of control atm. Here is my list:

Evan's Suggestion for a starting cube: 470 cards total (his current cube is much bigger, iirc)
53.2% COLORED
10.6% ARTIFACTS
12.8% LANDS
23.4% MULTICOLORED

MY LIST: (500 cards total)
60% COLORED (300 cards total, 60 of each color, 30 spells / 30 creatures exception blue/green)
15% ARTIFACTS (75 artifacts, 25 mana artifacts, 15 artifact creatures, 35 "regular" artifacts)
16% LANDS (80 lands)
9% MULTICOLORED (45 multicolored cards, 40 bi-color [4 of each color], 5 tri-color)

CMC
Spells: I didn't consider the CMC of spells, I just chose powerful cards.
Creatures basic CMC:
(10) 1-2 CMC
(10) 3-4 CMC
(10) 5+ CMC

A few quick things about the list:

BLUE/GREEN SPELL-CREATURE SPLITS:
Red, Black, and White all have an even mixture of spell to creature ratio (I count cards like Call of the Herd as spells, however). 30/30. Blue and Green are given 40/20 and 20/40 splits. I really liked Evan's idea on this.

LOW MULTI-COLOR COUNT:
This is easily changable in the future by cutting some lands, artifacts, or monochromatic spells. I wanted my playgroup to focus on two-color decks, primarily, so I significantly decreased the multi-color count. There are only five tri-color cards, and only four of each bi-color card (I don't make a distinction between hybrid and non-hybrid.)

TWO-CARD COMBO WINS:
The only two card combo win in my list (I believe) is Time Vault and Voltaic Key. I'm okay with everyone having access to it, unlike most two card combos.

STORM? WTF?
I'm an eternal player at heart, and wanted to add Empty the Warrens, Mind's Desire, and Tendrils of Agony. If they don't work out, or no one drafts them, I'll cut them. It's an experiment for now and I'll let you guys know how they turn out.

NO REANIMATOR:
I might add this in. While black has tons of access to powerful graveyard animation, I don't see a lot of ways to get creatures into the graveyard other than Entomb, Buried Alive, and Looters. Advice here is very helpful. :)

FIVE COLOR CONTROL DOMINANCE:
If this becomes a problem, I'm going to cut the signets, karoos, vivid lands, and some rainbow lands. I think this is the biggest risk of the current list. I have a ton of mana fixing in signets and powerful lands.

THE LIST:

BLUE:
40 Blue Spells

1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Frantic Search
1 Gifts Ungiven

1 Gush
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mind’s Desire
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Ponder

1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Time Walk
1 Timetwister
1 Tinker
1 Force of Will

1 Mana Drain
1 Cryptic Command
1 Counterspell
1 Negate
1 Forbid

1 Exclude
1 Remand
1 Dismiss
1 Hinder
1 Dissipate

1 Rewind
1 Desertion
1 Pact of Negation
1 Repeal
1 Repulse

1 Capsize
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Jace, Mind Sculptor
1 Deep Analysis
1 Braingeyser

1 Impulse
1 Bribery
1 Control Magic
1 Treachery
1 Take Possession

20 Blue Creatures
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Vesuvan Doppleganger
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Tradewind Rider

1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Waterfront Bouncer
1 Man-o-War
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Gilded Drake

1 Willbender
1 Fathom Seer
1 Riftwing Cloudskate
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Vendilion Clique

1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Looter il-Kor
1 Merfolk Looter
1 Kira, Great Glass Spinner
1 Serendib Efreet

BLACK:
30 Black Spells
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Imperial Seal
1 Necropotence
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain

1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Sorin Markov
1 Liliana Vess
1 Skeletal Scrying
1 The Abyss

1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Pestilence
1 Bitterblossom
1 Sinkhole

1 Diabolic Edict
1 Chainer's Edit
1 Damnation
1 Barter in Blood
1 Slaughter

1 Dark Ritual
1 Cabal Ritual
1 Grim Tutor
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Expunge

1 Duress
1 Thoughtseize
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Mind Twist
1 Profane Command

30 Black Creatures
(10) 1-2 CMC
1 Dark Confidant
1 Nantuko Shade
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Bloodghast
1 Knight of Stromgald

1 Nezumi Graverobber
1 Nezumi Shortfang
1 Cabal Interrogator
1 Dauthi Horror
1 Dauthi Slayer

(10) 3-4 CMC
1 Dauthi Marauder
1 Dauthi Mercenary
1 Hypnotic Specter
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Sorceress Queen

1 Juzám Djinn
1 Nekrataal
1 Bane of the Living
1 Abyssal Persecutor
1 Royal Assassin

(10) 5+ CMC
1 Tombstalker
1 Skeletal Vampire
1 Shriekmaw
1 Silent Specter
1 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni

1 Avatar of Woe
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Visara the Dreadful
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen

RED:
30 Red Spells
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Incinerate
1 Fireblast
1 Magma Jet

1 Firebolt
1 Hammer of Bogardan
1 Chain Lightning
1 Burst Lightning
1 Staggershock

1 Flame Javelin
1 Fork
1 Fireball
1 Banefire
1 Rolling Earthquake

1 Browbeat
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Wildfire
1 Genju of the Spires
1 Sneak Attack

1 Pillage
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Word of Seizing
1 Chandra Nalaar
1 Searing Blaze

1 Sulfuric Vortex
1 Flame Wave
1 Molten Rain
1 Sudden Shock
1 Smash to Smithereens

30 Red Creatures
(10) 1-2 CMC
1 Goblin Guide
1 Kird Ape
1 Jackal Pup
1 Blood Knight
1 Grim Lavamancer

1 Hellspark Elemental
1 Magus of the Scroll
1 Dwarven Blastminer
1 Dragonmaster Outcast
1 Stigma Lasher

(10) 3-4 CMC
1 Blistering Firecat
1 Ball Lightning
1 Lightning Dragon
1 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
1 Hell's Thunder

1 Avalanche Riders
1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Brimstone Mage
1 Goblin Ruinblaster
1 Rathi Dragon

(10) 5+ CMC
1 Kiki-Jiki Mirror Breaker
1 Arc-Slogger
1 Kumano, Master Yamabushi
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
1 Siege-Gang Commander

1 Firemaw Kavu
1 Bogardan Hellkite
1 Obsidian Fireheart
1 Rakka Mar
1 Rorix Bladewing

GREEN:
20 Green Spells:
1 Channel
1 Fastbond
1 Regrowth
1 Sylvan Library
1 Garruk Wildspeaker

1 Survival of the Fittest
1 Plow Under
1 Hurricane
1 Berserk
1 Harrow

1 Rancor
1 Moldervine Cloak
1 Stonewood Invocation
1 Call of the Herd
1 Centaur Glade

1 Rude Awakening
1 Harmonize
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Krosan Grip
1 Saproling Burst

40 Green Creatures:
(12) 1-2 CMC
1 Scute Mob
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Pouncing Jaguar
1 Noble Heirarch
1 Wild Nacatl

1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Tarmogoyf
1 Albino Troll

1 Llanowar Elves
1 River Boa

(16) 3-4 CMC
1 Imperious Perfect
1 Uktabi Orangutan
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Yavimaya Elder

1 Caller of the Claw
1 Ohran Viper
1 Troll Ascetic
1 Great Stable Stag
1 Phantom Centaur

1 Ravenous Baloth
1 Blastoderm
1 Master of the Wild Hunt
1 Wickerbough Elder
1 Spike Weaver

1 Omnath, Locus of Mana

(12) 5+ CMC
1 Kodama of the North Tree
1 Spectral Force
1 Rampaging Baloths
1 Genesis
1 Mycoloth

1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Cloudthresher
1 Mold Shambler
1 Wolfbriar Elemental

1 Acidic Slime
1 Verdant Force

WHITE:
30 White Spells
1 Balance
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Moat
1 Sacred Mesa
1 Armageddon

1 Catastrophe
1 Day of Judgment
1 Wrath of God
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Cataclysm

1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Parallax Wave
1 Gideon Jura
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Ajani Goldmane

1 Griffin Guide
1 Land Tax
1 Orim's Chant
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Arrest

1 Oblivion Ring
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Condemn
1 Aura of Silence

1 Disenchant
1 Seal of Cleansing
1 Pulse of the Fields
1 Spectral Procession
1 Return to Dust

30 White Creatures:
(12) 1-2 CMC
1 Wall of Omens
1 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
1 Steppe Lynx
1 Mother of Runes
1 Eight-and-a-Half-Tails

1 Soltari Priest
1 Soltari Monk
1 Serra Avenger
1 Knight of Meadowgrain
1 Knight of the White Orchid

1 Whipcorder
1 Savannah Lions

(10) 3-4 CMC
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Paladin En-Vec
1 Soltari Crusader
1 Kor Sanctifiers
1 Wall of Reverence

1 Emeria Angel
1 Celestial Crusader
1 Exalted Angel
1 Calciderm
1 Magus of the Disk

(8) 5+ CMC
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Akroma, Angel of Wrath
1 Yosei, the Morning Star
1 Baneslayer Angel
1 Gustcloak Savior

1 Captain of the Watch
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Karmic Guide

75 Artifacts
25 Mana Artifacts
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl

1 Black Lotus
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
1 Mana Crypt

1 Lion's Eye Diamond
1 Grim Monolith
1 Coalition Relic
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Spectral Searchlight

1 Selesnya Signet
1 Dimir Signet
1 Boros Signet
1 Golgari Signet
1 Izzet Signet

1 Gruul Signet
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Simic Signet
1 Azorius Signet
1 Rakdos Signet

35 Non-Creature, Non-Mana Artifacts
1 Chaos Orb
1 Time Vault
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Forcefield

1 Sculpting Steel
1 Cursed Scroll
1 Scroll Rack
1 Voltaic Key
1 Memory Jar

1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Skullclamp
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Sword of Light and Shadow

1 Lightning Greaves
1 Trusty Machete
1 Bonesplitter
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Empyrial Plate

1 Mindslaver
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Expedition Map
1 Staff of Domination

1 Phyrexian Processor
1 Mind's Eye
1 Puppet Strings
1 Powder Keg
1 Tormod's Crypt

1 Icy Manipulator
1 Isochron Scepter
1 Crystal Shard
1 Aether Vial
1 Tangle Wire

15 Artifact Creatures
1 Juggernaut
1 Triskelion
1 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Lodestone Golem
1 Metalworker

1 Arcbound Ravager
1 Masticore
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Silent Arbiter
1 Duplicant

1 Pentavus
1 Triskelavus
1 Sundering Titan
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Platinum Angel

80 Lands
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle

1 Maze of Ith
1 Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Mishra's Workshop
1 Academy Ruins

1 Thawing Glaciers
1 City of Brass
1 Gemstone Mine
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Forbidden Orchard

1 Tendo Ice Bridge
1 Mirrodin's Core
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Tolaria West

1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Rishadan Port
1 Urza's Factory
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mutavault

1 Celestial Colonnade
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
1 Raging Ravine
1 Stirring Wildwood

5 Vivid Lands
5 Shards Tri-Tapped Lands
10 Dual Lands
10 Fetch Lands
10 Ravnica Bounce Lands
10 Ravnica Pain Duals

45 Multicolored Cards:
4 of each BI-COLOR:
UB
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 Shadowmage Infiltrator
1 Psychatog
1 Spite // Malice

UR
1 Fire/Ice
1 Suffocating Blast
1 Nucklavee
1 Prophetic Bolt

UG
1 Snakeform
1 Mystic Snake
1 Lorescale Coatl
1 Voidslime

UW
1 Teferi's Moat
1 Azorius Guildmage
1 Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer
1 Absorb

BR
1 Sarkhan the Mad
1 Terminate
1 Blightning
1 Bituminous Blast

BG
1 Putrefy
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Spiritmonger
1 Maelstrom Pulse

BW
1 Vindicate
1 Mortify
1 Unmake
1 Angel of Despair

RG
1 Stormbind
1 Bloodbraid Elf
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Giant Solifuge

RW
1 Lightning Helix
1 Figure of Destiny
1 Ajani Vengeant
1 Goblin Legionnaire

GW
1 Loxodon Heirarch
1 Behemoth Sledge
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Qasali Pridemage

1 of each good TRI-COLOR:
UBW:
Sphinx of the Steel Wind

URG:
Broodmate Dragon

UBR:
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker

RGW:
Woolly Thoctar

UGW:
Rafiq of the Many

BASIC LAND:
50 of each.
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Re: 500 Card Cube, full P9. Goal: The best 500 cards in hist

Postby windowsdown » Tue May 18, 2010 11:40 pm

May I suggest:

Cut Moldervine Cloak for Boar Umbra.

In my cube testing, it's SO much better.
My cube: 589 Legacy-Legal
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Re: 500 Card Cube, full P9. Goal: The best 500 cards in hist

Postby Evenpence » Wed May 19, 2010 10:50 am

I've been pretty unimpressed with Moldervine Cloak, that's a great suggestion, tyvm.
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Re: 500 Card Cube, full P9. Goal: The best 500 cards in hist

Postby Bosh » Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:10 am

In my testing, i've found that bant colors tend to be played in a more controlish manner. May I suggest cutting Rafiq for Empyrial Arc-Angel. Also. Putrefy 4 Life/Death.
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